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Title: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade) on PSPUAE
Post by: Exoskeletor on July 09, 2006, 11:00:26 PM
I cant get it to run guys, i get the common red box amiga error. Has anyone else the same problem?
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 09, 2006, 11:10:07 PM
nope.... sure i got mine out of TOSEC.... i suspect its just a bad crack.

give me 5 mins i'll have a look on the PSP and check it... though i may have renamed it!
these are the ADFs i'm using on pspuae 0.51 - and they work fine:

Sensible World of Soccer 96-97 (1996)(Renegade)[cr HF](Disk 1 of 2)[a2].adf
Sensible World of Soccer 96-97 (1996)(Renegade)[cr HF](Disk 2 of 2).adf

got em out of TOSEC 0.27 i think - but you can find them on this link here (http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=257&page=s)

be warned! even without sound and some frameskip on... its not exactly "smooth"! but it *is* playable
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Exoskeletor on July 09, 2006, 11:24:23 PM
nope.... sure i got mine out of TOSEC.... i suspect its just a bad crack.

give me 5 mins i'll have a look on the PSP and check it... though i may have renamed it!
these are the ADFs i'm using on pspuae 0.51 - and they work fine:

Sensible World of Soccer 96-97 (1996)(Renegade)[cr HF](Disk 1 of 2)[a2].adf
Sensible World of Soccer 96-97 (1996)(Renegade)[cr HF](Disk 2 of 2).adf

got em out of TOSEC 0.27 i think - but you can find them on this link here (http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=257&page=s)

be warned! even without sound and some frameskip on... its not exactly "smooth"! but it *is* playable

I have use them and im getting this error:
type failed returncode 20
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 10, 2006, 12:03:22 AM
hmm... i know i *did* have it running.... maybe i deleted my workng ADFs and left the f**ked ones on by misttake!


i will have to get back to you on this one!


- edit -- is there some kind of auto-merge thing on this foum??

right... the "type" thing is just stupidity on the part of the crackers.

just got it running...

chipset OCS (i think this may be the most important thing)
kickstart 3.0 (may just need anything from 2.0 upwards - to fix the "type" bug)
chip 512k
fast 1 meg (may work with less)


thats it!
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Exoskeletor on July 10, 2006, 12:30:10 AM
ok i will use this kickstart and i will be back Kickstart v3.0 rev 39.106 (1992)(Commodore)(A1200)[!].rom

Can someone tell me what are the best versions for every kickstart?
Thank you so much, its working
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 10, 2006, 12:47:34 AM
err....

if you get the whole bunch.... and they are clearly labelled what machine they come from.....

kick 1.0 - theres only the one
1.1 - go PAL
1.2 - go a500
1.3 - go a500
2.0 - i use 2.06 - the a600+HD one
3.0 - a1200
3.1 - mine on pspuae doesnt work - so i'm gonna guess i used the a1200 one and should instead use the a4000 rev40.70 one
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: FOL on July 10, 2006, 12:51:03 AM
err....

if you get the whole bunch.... and they are clearly labelled what machine they come from.....

kick 1.0 - theres only the one
1.1 - go PAL
1.2 - go a500
1.3 - go a500
2.0 - i use 2.06 - the a600+HD one
3.0 - a1200
3.1 - mine on pspuae doesnt work - so i'm gonna guess i used the a1200 one and should instead use the a4000 rev40.70 one

Why 2.06? KiCKROM 1.3 had HD support, The A590 bless it 20 Megs and it was like a house birck, lol.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 10, 2006, 12:52:50 AM
whdload works best on 2.06  :P

wont work at all on 1.3

i think of the future of pspuae!
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: FOL on July 10, 2006, 12:54:36 AM
whdload works best on 2.06  :P

wont work at all on 1.3

i think of the future of pspuae!

ok ok, I liked the A600HD, I had 1 asa replacement, when my A500 got burgled. Only prob I had was playing Shuttle with no numeric keypad, lol.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 10, 2006, 01:01:50 AM
hehe... i actually dont care much for the a600! my first HD was on my cd32, and thar moved into my 2nd hand a1200 when i got it!!

like i say.... it's all becuase of pspuae / HDFs  /  whdload  and my obsessive want for the 3 to  be combined!!
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 10, 2006, 10:47:29 AM
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hmmm... thanks to this thread i stayed up far too late last night playing SWOS on the psp!!

without sound it runs really really well now with just frameskip 2..... this is definately an improvement over pspuae 0.41.1 where it required frameskip 4.

it averages 47-49 FPS - which is better than how it often is playing it online!!

if only it could run like that with sound....
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: FOL on July 10, 2006, 03:56:22 PM
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hmmm... thanks to this thread i stayed up far too late last night playing SWOS on the psp!!

without sound it runs really really well now with just frameskip 2..... this is definately an improvement over pspuae 0.41.1 where it required frameskip 4.

it averages 47-49 FPS - which is better than how it often is playing it online!!

if only it could run like that with sound....

lmao, thanks to setting up this site, I went to bed at 2:30AM Sat and 2:00AM Lastnight, im really tired here in work, :(.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: The Chaos Engine on July 23, 2006, 12:30:36 PM
for those dying to play swos on psp, try the snes-rom (and snes emu). This works 100%.
Some amiga games are on snes too. Like Chaos Engine and Gods or even soccer kid.
But i personally can't wait to start up alien breed or moonstone.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 23, 2006, 01:15:11 PM
for those dying to play swos on psp, try the snes-rom (and snes emu). This works 100%.


if i wanted to play Sensible Soccer - for a start i'd play the MegaDrive version on DGen rather than the snes version, but the fact is Sensible World of Soccer *never* appeared on any consoles, is in its purest form on the Amiga, and is a far better game than plain-old Sensi.

oh Amiga Sensi / SWOS only require one button too... unlike those poor console imitations!
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: ParaSitius on July 23, 2006, 01:45:37 PM
Good grief, don't even start me on how bad the Megadrive version of Sensi is, talk about a game that was dumbed down.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 25, 2006, 11:30:38 PM
super_hoops1967

if you're still struggling - try reading though this thread.... and check everything very carefully!
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: super_hoops1967 on July 26, 2006, 01:09:29 AM
ok i've tried it with both these settings and still get the left mouse button screen

This First

Name   SWOS 96/97
No. Of Disks   2
PSPUAE Version tested on   0.49
Playable   YES
ADF File Name   Sensible World of Soccer 96-97 (1996)(Renegade)[cr

Hardware
Frame Skip   3
Chipset   OCS
Collision   Playfields
CPU Type   68000
Compatability   ON

Memory
Fast Mem   512KB
Chip Mem   512KB
Bogo Mem   0KB

Sound Hardware
Sound Emu   None
Snd Type   Mono

ROM Revision
KickRom   Kick 2.0



Then this
Name   SWOS 96/97
No. Of Disks   2
PSPUAE Version tested on   0.49
Playable   YES
ADF File Name   Sensible World of Soccer 96-97 (1996)(Renegade)[cr

Hardware
Frame Skip   3
Chipset   OCS
Collision   Playfields
CPU Type   68000
Compatability   ON

Memory
Fast Mem   1024KB
Chip Mem   512KB
Bogo Mem   0KB

Sound Hardware
Sound Emu   None
Snd Type   Mono

ROM Revision
KickRom   Kick 3.0


and neither are working. i'm using the 2 disks that you sent me aswell (i'm using pspuae v0.52)
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 26, 2006, 11:47:32 AM
re-download the file i linked in your PM


i have added a save-state too it for you to try out.

works perfectly here, so i wonder if maybe your kickstarts are dodgy or something?
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: super_hoops1967 on July 26, 2006, 12:25:30 PM
i'll have to get it when i get home later. is it the swos.rar that i need to redownload?
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 26, 2006, 12:31:50 PM
for some reason i ZIpped it this time


i am runnng it on 0.52 myself btw - so its definately not the emulator, as you suggested in the shoutbox.

i only said it worked on 0.49 in the chart because that was the easrliest version i tested it on.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: super_hoops1967 on July 26, 2006, 12:40:36 PM
ahhhhhhhh right, gotta be the kickstart files then, i'll swap them and with that savestate i reckon you'll have fixed it for me :-D
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: FOL on July 26, 2006, 08:46:24 PM
ahhhhhhhh right, gotta be the kickstart files then, i'll swap them and with that savestate i reckon you'll have fixed it for me :-D

Super_hoops, lol, please check what you post next time, ;)
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: super_hoops1967 on July 27, 2006, 08:34:15 AM
the files deffinately work because i had it running on my pda last night, i'll format my ms tonight and give it another try, fingers crossed it will work
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on July 27, 2006, 10:15:27 AM
btw - when i quit friendlies it just seems to get stuck on disk access.... although i dont get a guru.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: El_MUERkO on November 12, 2006, 11:52:31 AM
Hi all, first post and unsprisingly its about SWOS 96/97, I can get it to run but its very choppy, any tips to improve performance would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on November 12, 2006, 12:07:31 PM
turn off sound, and use the savestate from the front-page.

i'm aftraid that's as good as it gets. it's not the best running game i'll admit.  :(
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: El_MUERkO on November 14, 2006, 07:13:36 PM
turn off sound, and use the savestate from the front-page.

i'm aftraid that's as good as it gets. it's not the best running game i'll admit.  :(

cheers

it actually runs very smoothly considering, now if only the joypad and nub werent so crap, i wonder if codies will fux up the 360 SWOS, we can but hope :)
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: knight76 on February 14, 2007, 03:53:56 PM
Just put the amiga em on the psp last night. Stayed up till 4am and backing up with another 4am stint. Just wanted to say thanks for the help with seni soccer settings. Got it working now.

I'm so hooked again im looking at buying an old amiga 500 again.

Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: FOL on February 14, 2007, 05:13:01 PM
Just put the amiga em on the psp last night. Stayed up till 4am and backing up with another 4am stint. Just wanted to say thanks for the help with seni soccer settings. Got it working now.

I'm so hooked again im looking at buying an old amiga 500 again.



Good to hear, ;). Glad you got it working. Love Live the miggy, :)
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Critter on September 12, 2007, 12:37:30 PM
after "amen" came "amega" :)
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: buhce on November 19, 2007, 10:35:30 PM
I too am having problems loading SWOS using the latest PSPUAE 0.63. I'm getting returncode 20 and have trie many different kicks and swos.adf's. Anyone help me?
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on November 19, 2007, 11:36:35 PM
theres loads of dody ADFs of SWOS out there im afraid.

either keep experimenting, or use the RISS version in the downloads section.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Viperob on January 23, 2008, 07:25:20 PM
I can get it work no problem with the the riss file from this site but once i choose my team in career it just goes to a black screen. my mem stick flashes like crazy and i waited more than 3mins. any ideas?
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on January 23, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
I can get it work no problem with the the riss file from this site but once i choose my team in career it just goes to a black screen. my mem stick flashes like crazy and i waited more than 3mins. any ideas?

the answer you seek if in the thread about the SWOS RISS funnily enough....

http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/index.php/topic,452.msg4185.html#msg4185
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Viperob on January 23, 2008, 10:27:55 PM
ahh goodstuff! sorry im still getting used to navigating round this site!

Did you finish the 07 update? that would be great!
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on January 23, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
it's ready, but it's not been compiled as a RISS yet. It will likely get done when it goes on the Amiga Online website as well.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Viperob on January 24, 2008, 05:46:45 PM
it's ready, but it's not been compiled as a RISS yet. It will likely get done when it goes on the Amiga Online website as well.

Can you not just up the file without the RISS format? I always change the states anyway so not to fussed

swos 07 would be superb!
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on January 24, 2008, 11:18:29 PM
editted SWOS does not fit on the original 2 ADFs.

the files alone are useless to you, as with HD support there is no way to run the game.

The only method it can be played is by creating a RISS.

please be patient, i will try to get it done very soon.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Viperob on January 25, 2008, 04:22:18 PM
Ah right i see. OK then good luck with it all horace.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: EmuChicken on January 29, 2008, 09:40:38 PM
how about them "custom" adf files that you can make larger than 880kb? ;-)
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: FOL on January 29, 2008, 09:44:13 PM
how about them "custom" adf files that you can make larger than 880kb? ;-)

They can be quite unstable, depends on how mem state uses I suppose.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on January 29, 2008, 10:16:42 PM
how about them "custom" adf files that you can make larger than 880kb? ;-)

you dont need custom ADFs for dos disks, just high-dens. But i would be surprised if SWOS operates like a completely normal dos disk, since the game doesnt even let you speed up the drive without crashing.


anyway, the RISS got  made and uploaded. all those requests and demands for an updated version, and there's been 10 downloads and only 1 thanks.

i do kinda wonder why i bothered.  ::)
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Gazman on February 17, 2008, 06:48:35 AM
all those requests and demands for an updated version, and there's been 10 downloads and only 1 thanks.
i do kinda wonder why i bothered.  ::)

You're right. It doesn't take much to say thanks instead of taking it for granted, so....
Thanks man

Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: FOL on February 17, 2008, 10:42:25 AM
all those requests and demands for an updated version, and there's been 10 downloads and only 1 thanks.
i do kinda wonder why i bothered.  ::)

You're right. It doesn't take much to say thanks instead of taking it for granted, so....
Thanks man



Sure, that will make horace happy, :).
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on February 17, 2008, 01:53:51 PM
32 to 2.  ;)

hope you're enjoying the new teams and graphics gazman!
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: FOL on February 17, 2008, 02:04:11 PM
32 to 2.  ;)

hope you're enjoying the new teams and graphics gazman!

Think you will find, its being leeched, :(. As theres less views than downloads, why do people feel the need to steal bandwidth, :(.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: douglemcnori on February 22, 2008, 01:52:11 PM
Firstly fantastic work by FOL and Hungary Horace for edging closer to having SWOS fully playable on my daily commute - cant wait!! I have downloaded all of the files but to be honest havent kept up with the emulation scene on the PSP for a while - could someone kindly put together a step by step to getting this RISS file working i.e. what you need and how to do it etc? Im sure it will be greatly appreciated

Cheers

Dougle
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on February 22, 2008, 02:06:01 PM
dont take this the wrong way, but please try searching.... or even reading the front page where it says "FAQ: RAM-Installed Save-States - The faster way to use PSPUAE"
 
http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/index.php/topic,401.0.html

a lot of time and effort has gone into that guide.
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: douglemcnori on February 22, 2008, 02:27:48 PM
dont take this the wrong way, but please try searching.... or even reading the front page where it says "FAQ: RAM-Installed Save-States - The faster way to use PSPUAE"
 
http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/index.php/topic,401.0.html

a lot of time and effort has gone into that guide.

Sorry dude I somehow missed that - only when I went back after I logged in did I see it. Great stuff. Just one question is there a RISS file that retains the original 96-97 line ups at all? Cheers
Title: Re: Problem with Sensible World of Soccer '96-'97 (1996)(Renegade)
Post by: Hungry Horace on February 22, 2008, 02:58:29 PM
its in the downloads section under "S"

you might need to switch on blitter cycle exact and re-save the settings though, if you experience troubles with career mode.