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[john4p]

I still want to see the fullspeed amiga emu WITH SOUND working.

I'll show you in 7 weeks...

[Hungry Horace]

I still want to see the fullspeed amiga emu WITH SOUND working.

I'll show you in 7 weeks...

From LemonAmiga:

To get back on topic, yeah it does look good.  Although, emulating "all the amiga games perfect" isn't possible on a 4ghz quad core PC yet, let alone something this 'weak'...

some people might like to bare this in mind.

[john4p]

That's laughable - I can play every OCS and AGA-title at 100Hz with perfect scrolling, perfect sound and even hq2x-filter on my notebook.

KG may be talking about some 68060-hires-games no one ever has heard of - I don't care about these games from 1999 or so.

[Hungry Horace]

That's laughable - I can play every OCS and AGA-title at 100Hz with perfect scrolling, perfect sound and even hq2x-filter on my notebook.

no he isnt, and no you cant. That's an audatious claim, and frankly untrue. if you had said "perfectly good" instead of just "perfect" , i could and would agree.


I assume you sold/got rid of your real amiga a while ago?

[john4p]

That's laughable - I can play every OCS and AGA-title at 100Hz with perfect scrolling, perfect sound and even hq2x-filter on my notebook.

no you cant. That's an audatious claim, and frankly untrue. if you had said "perfectly good" instead of just "perfect" , i could and would agree.


I assume you sold/got rid of your real amiga a while ago?

Of course I can. Get Powerstrip - clock your refresh rate to 100Hz, set WinUAE to PAL 100Hz - PERFECT SCROLLING.
PERFECT SYNCHRONIZED SOUND.
And due to h2qx it looks better than on real hardware.

I'm sure you have set your refresh rate to 60Hz, 75 Hz or 85 Hz - then you can never have smooth scrolling because Amiga games run at 50Hz. Get Powerstrip, set refresh rate to 100Hz (or 50Hz) and the scrolling is absolutely perfect.

[Hungry Horace]

i'm sorry john, but i can see from your profile you dont have the real hardware anymore, so you cant lay any claims to being able to make a comparisson.


i have tired powerstrip and 100hz and , yes it is a marked improvement, but is is NOT as smooth as the real thing! i have access to both, and i have been able to compare. Where you will notice it most is games like Pinball Dreams  / Fantasies, where you've got variable speeds of scrolling which can shift direction quickly.

It's a windows / emulator fault by this time, and not a problem with the screen refresh.

Also, no version of UAE has perfect sound, just a reasonable interpretation. Having studied Music technology i can tell you that the only way to get a genuine repoduction of the amiga hardware sound would be through including emulation of the filters created naturally through running through the hardware itself. This is definately something UAE does not do.  it's like comparing an an analogue synthesiser with valves to a software reproduction of the same synth.... 95% of people wont notice the difference, but its a stone cold soiid fact that anyone who knows about such things will be able to spot instantly.


back on topic - or this thread will be locked - this is an old and tired discussion
 

[john4p]

i'm sorry john, but i can see from your profile you dont have the real hardware anymore, so you cant lay any claims to being able to make a comparisson.


i have tired powerstrip and 100hz and , yes it is a marked improvement, but is is NOT as smooth as the real thing! i have access to both, and i have been able to compare. Where you will notice it most is games like Pinball Dreams  / Fantasies, where you've got variable speeds of scrolling which can shift direction quickly.

It's a windows / emulator fault by this time, and not a problem with the screen refresh.

Also, no version of UAE has perfect sound, just a reasonable interpretation. Having studied Music technology i can tell you that the only way to get a genuine repoduction of the amiga hardware sound would be through including emulation of the filters created naturally through running through the hardware itself. This is definately something UAE does not do.  it's like comparing an an analogue synthesiser with valves to a software reproduction of the same synth.... 95% of people wont notice the difference, but its a stone cold soiid fact that anyone who knows about such things will be able to spot instantly.

 

Well, the sound may sound a little different - okay, I'm no musician. But it's never distorted in any way.

But the scrolling IS definitely perfect. It took me a long time to finally get the correct setting in Powerstrip:

At first I tried to downclock my refresh rate - but there was only 50.3 Hz or 49.8 Hz possible - the scrolling was a lot better than before but occasionally you could see tearing here and there. Definitely most noticably in Pinball Dreams and Pinball Fantasies.

Then I clocked the refresh rate to 99.992 Hz in Powerstrip.

From then on I had absolutely perfect smooth scrolling - trust me, I know exactly what that means. Pinball Dreams and Fantasies scroll 100% smooth now.

The possible exact refresh rate depends on your screen. It could be that with your lcd Powerstrip only can set you refresh rate to 99.90 Hz or 100.1 Hz - then the scrolling will be good, but not perfect.
You may have typed in "100" but Powerstrip then only chooses the next best possible setting.

It depends on your lcd - with some it's not possible to get close enough to 50Hz or 100Hz.
Seems like I had luck with my lcd:



99.992 Hz vertical refresh rate is so close to 100Hz that I never encounter any non-perfect scrolling.

Note that if you have a CRT-monitor or use a TV that has native 100Hz- (or 50Hz-) refresh rate you also get perfect scrolling

[Hungry Horace]

But the scrolling IS definitely perfect. It took me a long time to finally get the correct setting in Powerstrip:

<snip>

From then on I had absolutely perfect smooth scrolling - trust me, I know exactly what that means. Pinball Dreams and Fantasies scroll 100% smooth now.

you dont have the original hardware, so clearly you dont know, you cant compare. you are wrong - sorry, but its a fact. you may have very good scrolling, but it isnt perfect, and its unlikely it ever will be.

99.992 Hz vertical refresh rate is so close to 100Hz that I never encounter any non-perfect scrolling.

^^ you've also proved yourself wrong by admitting you dont have it at 100hz. just because you cant notice the difference with 99hz, doesnt mean there isnt one. 99% isnt perfect - which is the word you have misused.


and what did I - just- say about getting back on topic john?

[john4p]

There is a HUGE difference between 99Hz and 99.992Hz. With 99Hz you have no smooth scrolling.
As I said - it took me a long time to find the best setting.

Just because your screen supports only 99.8Hz or 100.2 Hz that doesn't prove perfect scrolling isn't possible via emulation. It only proves it's not possible on your lcd.

I had an Amiga for 15 years. I was never satisfied with the scrolling in WinUAE - until I finally found out how to make the scrolling as perfect as on the real thing. That was the day when there was no need anymore for a "real" Amiga.

Of course you may now repeat again and again - no, perfect scrolling is impossible with emulation. Well, then you're wrong.
If you'd stand in my living room and watch my notebook side by side with a real hooked up Amiga (which you brought ) - both playing Pinball Fantasies - you'd be very quickly very quiet.

[Hungry Horace]

well done, you continue to insist on being right, even though it's a fact your are wrong, and your own statements show this. therefore, topic locked, as warned.

i can sum this up with a few simple words;

there is no such thing as perfect Amiga emualtion


if you continue to argue against this in other threads, i will happily issue a temporary ban, and can merrily point you in the direction of 100 more technically-able Amiga persons who can happily bore you with the details as to why this is true.

[FOL]

Hmmmmm, I concure, lets leave this discussion. I find it strange though that people hold high hopes for something that doesnt exist as yet.

EDIT:- After just being spammed by them, to try and get me to buy. I had alook at the video's and im sorry, I think its crap. Not 1 of those video's had sound.

Its like when a video of PSPUAE running turrican was upped, and people where saying it was the AtariST version cause it was running fullspeed. Turned out it was PSPUAE with sound disabled and AtariST (Turrican theme tune) background music.

Im going to disabled sound in PSPUAE and upload a video with the title "FULLSPEED AMIGA EMULATION". Im sorry people are so bought by the no sound video's, as every one knows PSPUAE is 99.8% Fullspeed with no sound. Hell even UAE4ALL on gp2x and psp would with no sound.

[Anemos]

i have lost the subject discussion really.. maybe my bad english ..
But  i dont understand why the conflicts?
also maybe the  topic it should it will unlock 

[FOL]

i have lost the subject discussion really.. maybe my bad english ..
But  i dont understand why the conflicts?
also maybe the  topic it should it will unlock 

Nope, lets just leave it.